Eerie Descent
7:27 Thu Sep 7
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Do Norway qualify for every tournament unbeaten?
Anyway, as opinions go, you said Lallana has been absolutely dgshit for England, when he's been England's best player (confirmed by winning every England player of the year award recently) so I'll probably ignore yours about Jones, and go with Jose Mourinho's, who has him first choice at Man Utd (Smalling, who you said was complete and utter dgshit in the past, is 4th choice).
I enjoyed your rant, though.
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Russ of the BML
6:41 Thu Sep 7
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And Stones is the future. Great. A kid that we were told was the next Rio. The cunt couldn't defend his way out of a paper bag. Lovely touch and good on the ball... Great. But do that when you know you can. Never seen s player get caught on the ball so much. But we are told "Give him time" and "Let him play" and "Don't knock the culture out of him". I agree to some extent. But the kid needs to start defending properly first and then playing. Problem for Stones is when England play its like a hot potato and you don't get the options in high numbers as we lack players who know how to create space. I fear for Stones that his culture will just slowly ebb away naturally.
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Russ of the BML
6:36 Thu Sep 7
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Eerie Descent 4:49 Thu Sep 7
Get over yourself. Why are you right?
Jones is a fucking shambles of a top level player. A car crash waiting to happen. His positional play is a fucking joke. But that's my opinion. And that of many others.
I believe Smalling is by far the better player without actually being a great top level player either. If you compare Smalling's positional play, calmness and distribution he's way ahead of Jones. Again, only my opinion.
And I tell you one thing. Opinions are opinions but you are utterly wrong that I will ever agree Jones is better than Cahill (who himself is also an average top level player) and that he should ever be captain. Never.
The day Jones becomes captain of England is the day when we seriously may aswell just pack up and fuck off home.
There's no bandwagon. It's called opinion. So what that Mourinho plays him? Why should I change my opinion of Jones because that skulky cunt plays him? I watch Sky and MOTD, I see Jones play. He's a fucking headless moron who gets away with being physical and powerful and flies into tackles. Great. It will only get you so far and you can nick a good living doing thay if you are in the right place at the right time.
But let's be honest, the simple fact that we are talking about Jones, Smalling and Cahill with England just shows how far we have slipped. I've said ti before, if those three were German, Italian, Spanish or French then they wouldn't have one cap between them. That's the difference.
We have to face facts. We are now to world football what Norway is.
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Eerie Descent
4:50 Thu Sep 7
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And the fact some rate Maguire as better than Jones is all you need to know about people that make up their minds and don't want to deviate from that.
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Eerie Descent
4:49 Thu Sep 7
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I remember everyone on here, Russ in particular, giving Smalling absolute pelters and saying he should never have been a footballer, and I was derided for saying he wasn't useless. I mean, he's no world beater, but he's a good centre back, and would captain any of the other home nations. Jones is much better than Smalling, he's also much better than Cahill and imo should be England captain, as you'll be agreeing with that in time.
Mourinho has an open chequebook, he knows his centre halfs, he bought the Swedish chap for big money in the summer, and Jones is his first choice. I think that's the sort of judgement we should be looking at, over a few people on WHO that love a bandwagon.
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Russ of the BML
4:38 Thu Sep 7
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Down the years I can think of:
Moore
Hunter
Charlton J
Adams
Butcher
Walker
Wright
Rio
Terry
I mean Jesus. I know its not Jones' fault but fucking hell how we have fallen when this oaf is a first pick.
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Mart O
3:44 Thu Sep 7
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John Stones is 23, very young for a central defender, and may yet come good. Clearly not ready yet though.
Jones can do a job in the PL free for all but he's an accident waiting to happen at international level.
I like the look of Harry Maguire. Looks composed and seems to be able to both defend and play. Left footed too. Much better than Keane.
All in all, defenders aren't our biggest problem.
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El Scorchio
1:20 Thu Sep 7
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He's obviously a decent player, but absolute dogshit compared to some of the great defenders we've produced in the last 30 years. Very limited.
I think our central defence options at the moment are by far the weakest they've been probably in living memory.
Cahill, Jagielka, Smalling and Jones are all decent but only that. God knows how Stones is supposed to be worth 50 million quid. The hope has to be in the next generation, really.
None of them are fit to lace the boots of Rio, or even Terry, dare I say it,
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Russ of the BML
1:13 Thu Sep 7
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Sniper 12:19 Thu Sep 7
Couldn't agree more. No disrespect to ED but anyone who says they rate Jones I just don't get.
He's like a tornado in a tin. A shambles of a player.
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Sniper
12:19 Thu Sep 7
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I think the biggest issue withy jones is that he's constantly an accident waiting to happen. He makes a rickety in every game pretty much - just an expensive white Titus bramble!
There's no subtlety to his plaky so he's always on the verge of giving away a free kick. Positionally hes awful as well.
But in a position where England used to be so stoned (Adams, Campbell, Rio, terry, carragher, king, woodgate etc) we are now scraping The barrel to find anyone decent.
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Eerie Descent
12:04 Thu Sep 7
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I think he is England's best centre half by a long way. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the bloke, and he had a few years where he lost his way, but he is class, a bit nasty and no nonsense, and is currently first pick for the club who are top of the league and will probably end up as champions. Mourinho loves him, which tells you a lot.
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Russ of the BML
11:39 Thu Sep 7
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Eerie Descent 7:41 Wed Sep 6
I'd go with that with the exception of Jones. The guy is, without doubt, the luckiest man on earth to be where he is.
He is the clumsiest player I have ever seen at top level. Has no finesse, no quality and. to my mind, not even a footballer. It makes me shudder to think how he has made it. Shocking player.
And you wonder why we don't win fuck all when that lump of shit is an international. Jesus.
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zebthecat
7:54 Wed Sep 6
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Yeah, that would be much better ED. Just have to hope that Southgate doesn't persist with playing two defensive midfield cloggers
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Eerie Descent
7:41 Wed Sep 6
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Zeb, do you not think if Barkley, Lallana and Wilshere were fit, they'd have that quality? I mean, I know Wilshere is never likely to be, but the talent IS there, we just need a bit of luck on the injury front.
I reckon something like this team would be as exciting as we could put out..
Butland
Trippier - Stones - Jones - Bertrand
Dier - Barkley
Lallana - Alli - Rashford
Kane
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zebthecat
7:26 Wed Sep 6
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Mart O 4:00 Wed Sep 6
It is a problem, Alli and Kane are used to doing their runs and being on the end of perfectly weighted pin point passes from Eriksen. It must be a shock when they play for England who have have likes of Henderson blootering the ball at them from 20 yards instead.
I can't remember who made the pass but I do remember Rashford making a darting run into box only to have one of the midfielders smash the ball into back of his head. Our midfield has no finesse and Oxlade Chamberlain personified it when he somehow muscled his way past two defenders, ran into the box and then ballooned the ball into row Z. At least Lallana can pass.
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Mart O
4:00 Wed Sep 6
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zico 3:31 Wed Sep 6
The reason we don't produce these sorts of players may just be linked to the historical fact that when we have done, they're virtually always misused or mistrusted by the national side. Scholes and Hoddle are perfect examples.
Anyone that thinks that Lallana is shite is daft. He may not be a world beater but by English standards of recent years he's fucking Maradona. They don't think he's shite at Liverpool. How comes, as noted below, we see so many other international sides get far more from what are at best Championship players ?
Irrespective, playing two CMs from Dier, Henderson and Livermore just shows you what we're all about. Surely even the likes of Drinkwater would provide more in combination with just one of those 3, and I don't mean fucking Livermore, ffs...?
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Eerie Descent
3:53 Wed Sep 6
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England still qualified unbeaten for the last tournament, and top the group this time unbeaten. We're not THAT shit. And Lallana has clearly been our best player over that period.
Still, Sven the Aussie and Russ disagree.
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threesixty
3:48 Wed Sep 6
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first time I've seen so many in here agreeing!
(about our lack of creative midfielders and how none of the top english players play that role for their clubs).
If we can see it, I wonder what the FA are going to do about it? Or will they just cash their image rights cheques every tournament and not give a shit?
I think its baffling that a country of 66m people cant produce one player like that in last 30yrs. We really have strange issues at youth coaching level. Or maybe whoever comes through like this gets dislodged by foreign players who will be cheaper and maybe technically better.
I wish we looked lower down the leagues. There's got to be someone who maybe isnt prem quality yet but can play those positions better than the current england team?
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Sven Roeder
3:34 Wed Sep 6
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England player of the year 2016.
An attacking midfielder who scored zero goals
Blimey
Can't imagine why England didn't win Euro2016
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zico
3:31 Wed Sep 6
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El Scorchio 1:13 Wed Sep 6
Bang on there. Neither Kane or Alli have really performed for England (who has!!) but there isn't an Erikkson to pull the strings. Alli isn't a creative player as such because he makes runs forward between the lines. Unfortunately we don't have a Gazza, Scholes or Hoddle to supply him. It's a pity Carrick isn't 10 years younger!!!
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Russ of the BML
3:04 Wed Sep 6
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Eerie Descent 1:27 Wed Sep 6
I couldn't really give two fucks what anyone else thinks and I am not comparing him to anyone else. No one has been decent for us over any sustained period.
I go with what I see. And Lallana for me is lacking at international level. He can run around and look as up for it as he likes. He has very little end product nor does he directly influence the result enough.
And it just shows you what a fucking sorry state we are in when Lallana is felt to be the best player of 2016. And just to remind you it's 2017 now and where the fuck is he? Not doing us a lot of good at the moment.
Lallana is just another English given a false sense of worth and value who will eventually deliver fuck all. I could list many the same.
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